INTERVIEW WITH JERI WESTERSON

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I am delighted to welcome Jeri Westerson, the author of the popular Crispin Guest mysteries.  Jeri’s newest, The Demon’s Parchment, will soon be published, and so I invited her to stop by and talk about it. 
Sharon: While other authors writing medieval mysteries have opted for a gentle tone, frequently with a monk or nun protagonist, you have chosen to write “Medieval Noir,” with a former knight as the detective, a sub-genre you seem to have invented. How did you come up with this approach?
Jeri: I certainly enjoyed those medieval mysteries, particularly the mother of them all, Brother Cadfael (Brother of them all?) but when I sat down to write my medieval mystery, I didn’t want to write a monk or nun protagonist. I knew I wanted something more action-packed, more angsty. And I wanted a true detective, not someone who just stumbles on corpses or is asked as a favor to find out whodunit. I took my cue from the hardboiled detective fiction of Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett that I so loved and admired. After a lot of ruminating on it, I believed I could place a hardboiled detective with all the tropes—a femme fatale, disgruntled cops, tough-talking crooks—and place him in the Middle Ages while still keeping it true to the medieval time period. It’s fun, actually, making it work, and so I came up with my disgraced knight turned detective, Crispin Guest. The stories are darker and edgier than the average medieval mystery, with a twisting tale of dark secrets, dealing with a small circle of people that blossoms into a bigger, more complex plot. It’s actually more hardboiled than in the strictest sense of noir, but “Medieval Noir” sounded better than “Medieval Hardboiled.”    
Sharon: When did you first meet your main character, Crispin Guest? Did he come to you all at once, or gradually?
Jeri: I wanted someone with fighting skills, experience on the battlefield, a facility with languages, and able to read and write. And then, following the trope of the hardboiled detective where he is somewhat down on his luck with chip on his shoulder, I knew he had to be someone who had it all and lost it. What better protagonist could there be but a disgraced knight? And once I decided on that, it all fell into place. So, a little like Athena, he sprang forth out of my forehead fully formed. I knew exactly who he was.
Sharon: Tell us about Crispin.
Jeri: Crispin is a dark and brooding man. He was the protégé of John of Gaunt, the duke of Lancaster, and lived in his household for a good part of his youth. The man was like a father to him. And so when Edward of Woodstock (the Black Prince) died, followed shortly by Edward III, the line of succession led to the Black Prince’s ten-year-old son Richard. But Crispin thought that his mentor the duke should take the throne and he joined with conspirators to make it happen. Unfortunately, all were discovered and executed. Except for Crispin. The duke begged for his life and Crispin ended up on the streets of London, devoid of his fortune, title, and status. He reinvents himself as the Tracker, finding lost objects, solving the occasional murder, all for sixpence a day plus expenses. Losing who he was naturally makes him a bit grouchy and offers some interesting angsty moments. Writing a male character is fascinating and fun. I get to be a handsome, swashbuckling, honorable-to-a-fault man for three hundred pages. That’s a far cry from the middle-aged, overweight Jewish mother I am.
Sharon: Whom do you picture as your ideal reader when you’re in the process of writing?
Jeri: Good question. I think the ideal reader would be someone who appreciates history with their mystery or vice versa. They’d also enjoy a good adventure because that’s how I think of these novels. I was terribly influenced by swashbuckling movies growing up and so I like a bit of that kind of action in my plots. Crispin is a bit Sam Spade, a bit Philip Marlowe and a bit Errol Flynn, rather a fun combination.
Sharon: You have quite a publishing story. Will you share?
Jeri: I started out in 1993 to pursue a writing career after having had a successful career as a graphic artist in Los Angeles. I wrote historical fiction that my agent just couldn’t place with publishers. It was later suggested to me that I switch to writing historical mysteries and once I got too tired of all the rejections I finally made the change. It turned around for me rather quickly. Now I have a hard time imagining writing anything else. In the interest of full disclosure, there was actually a Crispin book prior to my first published book, VEIL OF LIES, that got rejected all over town, including my publisher St. Martin’s. So my agent and I decided to put that one to bed and start working on selling Crispin number two, VEIL OF LIES which was already written. Just as I sent in that manuscript to my agent, an editor from St. Martin’s, who had rejected that first manuscript, called my agent and asked if I had anything else in that series as he “couldn’t get the characters out of his head.” Without even getting a chance to read it, my agent sent it off to St. Martin’s and two weeks later I had my first contract. And it only took fourteen years and two weeks. I am the poster child for persistence.
Sharon: How long ago did your interest in things medieval blossom?
Jeri: I was raised by parents who were rabid Anglophiles. So I grew up surrounded by English history and the love for it. We also had great historical fiction by all the big names: Thomas B. Costain, Anya Seton, Nora Lofts. I think what I liked about those books was that an historical setting offered just that bit of fantasy, taking the reader to a different place and time. The medieval period seems particularly romantic, in a sense. Arthurian legends, Robin Hood, the pageantry of a bygone era. It’s fun to fit your characters into that particular place, making them someone readers can relate to while grounding them in this foreign setting. And though it does offer a different sensibility of another time, it also affords the author the opportunity to comment on contemporary issues by couching it in the safe harbor of another era. The trick is to make sure it’s also historically accurate. 
Sharon: You’ve described your books as “romantic with a twisty mystery thrown in for good measure.” Are you talking about the concept of romance as it was originally perceived?
Jeri: That’s exactly right. As you know, Sharon, the original “romance” was an adventure tale of some hero of chivalry, and that goes back to what I said before about thinking of these novels as “adventure tales.” It’s a quest for the character to fully realize their potential as a man and as that elusive creature, the hero. I’m also fascinated by this notion of the “band of brothers” that Shakespeare coined in Henry V in, ironically enough, his St. Crispin’s Day speech. I get to explore that aspect of masculinity that is unique to men, the mystique of cleaving together in these intense relationships.
Sharon: Putting heroes aside, do you have a favorite minor character?
Jeri: That would have to be Jack Tucker, who really is also a hero. He was only supposed to be a very minor character at first but then he would not go away! He’s Crispin’s apprentice. Crispin reluctantly takes him in. He’s a street urchin, a cut purse. Orphaned at eight, he’s lived on the streets of London all that time and still managed to keep his gentle heart. Crispin comes upon him when he’s eleven. He’s a combination of Huck Finn, the Artful Dodger, and Peter Pan rolled into one. For Crispin, he’s the son and squire he’ll never now have. There’s an interesting dynamic between them and they manage to teach each other important life lessons while racing through a ripping good yarn.
Sharon: There are relics involved in your stories.
Jeri: Yes. Each novel deals with some sort of relic or legend. I like to think of the relics as the McGuffin. Alfred Hitchcock coined that term and it means the unimportant thing that sets the plot in motion, whether it’s something everyone tries to get their hands on or something everyone is trying to get rid of. It’s the sort of Maltese Falcon in these stories. It’s an added twist that I wanted to include to complicate things. But it’s not by rote. Sometimes the relic is the most important thing in the story but sometimes it’s just a McGuffin.
Sharon: Was there one book that shaped you as a child?
Jeri: Several, probably. One I remember was the Big Golden Book of Fairy Tales with myths and legends from all over the world and all different eras. Some were really quite creepy and they had wonderful illustrations to go with them. I also still have the child’s version of The Canterbury Tales, also full of bazaar illustrations. I really like the fantasy aspect of these books, so it was little wonder that the Lord of the Rings saga enveloped me when I was in high school. The idea of that marvelous world building intrigued me as well as the whole heroes journey, the chivalry, the quest, and the suffering hero. That sensibility is definitely reflected in Crispin’s tales.
Sharon: Tell us about your newest, THE DEMON’S PARCHMENT.
Jeri: Crispin is hired by a Jewish physician from France to find some stolen parchments, parchments that may have to do with the gruesome serial murders of young boys. Is a heartless killer stalking the streets and alleys of London, or something far more sinister? This is the third book in the series and it’s scheduled for release October 12. 
Sharon: What’s next for you?
Jeri: Next fall will see the release of Crispin number four, TROUBLED BONES, where Crispin and Jack are called to Canterbury to protect the bones of St. Thomas Beckett from the clutches of the Lollards, but they find murder instead and an old friend of Crispin’s who might be a killer. 
I’m also working on a second medieval mystery series with all new characters that will be lighter in tone set to be a lusty, funny, fast-paced romp. But in the meantime, you can see the Crispin series book trailer, book discussion guides, my appearance schedule to see if I’ll be in your home town, and other fun stuff on my website www.JeriWesterson.com; you can see my blog of history and mystery at www.Getting-Medieval.com; and you can read Crispin’s blog at www.CrispinGuest.com. You can also friend Crispin on his Facebook page or follow me on Twitter.
Sharon: Thank you for joining us, Jeri.  
Jeri: Thanks so much for having me, Sharon
     This was a wonderful interview and I am so sorry that I was unable to add the very striking image of The Demon’s Parchment book cover, but the evil Melusine, my computer, has gone over totally to the dark side and will no longer allow me to add photos to the blog.   So please click onto Jeri’s links above to see what the book looks like.  If you haven’t stopped by her website until now, you’re in for a treat. 
September 26, 2010

89 thoughts on “INTERVIEW WITH JERI WESTERSON”

  1. I’ve read her books so far and am looking forward to reading the next one. Thanks for this interview, Sharon & Jeri.

  2. Quite interesting. I wonder though about this line: “For Crispin, he’s the son and squire he’ll never now have.” When are the books set? Richard II ruled for only 22 years. If Crispin would have survived that, I would certainly expect Henry IV (V) to restore him.
    Today, Raymond VII, Count of Toulouse, son of Joanna of England and grandson to Henry and Eleanor died. He was buried with his mother in Fontevrault.

  4. I figure that if I’m going bankrupt buying books, Jel, I might as well have lots of company. Thanks for reminding me about Raymond VII, Koby; I have really come to rely upon you for this. Raymond was a tragic figure, forced to fight a doomed war for his homelands. He wasn’t lucky in death, either, for his tomb (and Joanna’s) were lost. I assume (and hope) their bones are still buried somewhere in the church, but the only tombs that survive today are Henry’s, Eleanor’s, Richard’s, and John’s queen, Isabelle d’Angouleme. She ended up at Fontevrault after taking refuge there after she and her second husband involved themselves in a rebellion. The effigies of the three Angevins are just amazing; Eleanor is holding a book and has just the hint of an enigmatic smile on her face.

  8. What an enjoyable, if not pocketbook damaging interview. Crispin Guest is going on my wish list and I’m going to ask my local library to get that series if they don’t already have them.
    Regarding Brother Cadfael: I thought he was a soldier/knight who decided to become a monk. Does that make Cadfael the once over lightly version of the hardboiled Guest?

  9. Joan, true, Cadfael had a past–and a very interesting one–but I wouldn’t call him hardboiled. A hardboiled monk? Though that, too, might make an interesting series. 🙂

  10. Joan, I liked Brother Cadfael so much that I gave him a nod in Saints, when the wounded Ranulf was advised to go to Shrewsbury, where there was a monk known to be skilled in healing. I always thought his history made perfect sense, a man who’d lived an active, probably sinful life, who then chose to put aside worldly pleasures and devote his twilight years to God. A very medieval mind-set. I think Jeri and I and so many authors who write historical mysteries owe a great debt to Ellis Peters, aka Edith Pargeter, for she opened the door wide with her Brother Cadfael books.

  11. Jeri, that’s why I called Cadfael the “once over lightly” tec. 😉
    Another MA mystery that I loved was Eco’s Name of the Rose. But maybe, like the Cadfael series, PBS Mystery! will pick up on Crispin Guest. Now that would be something.

  12. Softboiled? Joan, that would be something, wouldn’t it? A movie would be good, too. Speaking of Name of the Rose, not too long after that movie came out, I was interviewing some Benedictine monks, and, not surprisingly, they HATED Eco’s book.

  13. Shiny interview! I hadn’t heard of this series but have since gone to Amazon and ordered the first book and preordered the second! If I am to be broke, at least I’ll be happy getting there–nothing brings as much joy as buying books! 🙂

  14. Kristen, you are a woman after my own heart. I am in serious bookshelf deficit around here. It’s getting crazy. I’m beginning to unload some books on my son, because I know he won’t be able to get rid of them either. 🙂

  15. Today, the Norman Conquest of ENgland began with landing of William in Pevensey, Sussex. Also, the Battle of Tinchebray was fought, where Henry I of England defeated his brother Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, and solidified his hold on both England and Normandy.
    And Jeri, I only get ahead of other people, never of myself. I do hope we’ll see what happens when Henry IV (V) comes back, though.

  18. Well now,! more Books too look Forward to,.Thank-you Sharon, Thankyou Jeri “I;ll just have to read these Untill Sharon Finish;es Her Latest! Now the Dark Knights are coming to the Pacific North-west

  19. Right on, James. By the way, at my book launches (and I have one upcoming on Oct 23) I always have some sword fighting knights dueling it out outside the bookstore. I found them locally on the jousting circuit (yes, there is one). May knights live forever!

  20. Today is Michaelmas, an important medieval holy day; others include Martinmas (November 11) and Candlemas (February 2) On September 29, 1399, Richard II was forced to abdicate in favor of his usurping cousin, Bolingbroke. And on September 29, 1192, Richard’s queen and sister sailed from Acre; he left 9 days later. They got home safely; he, of course, did not.
    Also, American and Canadian readers are eligible for a drawing for a free copy of Elizabeth Chadwick’s To Defy a King, here: http://favoritepastimes.blogspot.com/ It is a good interview with EC, too.

  21. Well, although this is rather obscure, Reginald Grey died today. He was the father of Sir Edward Grey, who was the father of John Grey, ELizabeth Woodville’s first husband.

  22. Actually, Koby, I’m more impressed when you post obscure information like this. Anyone can find out when an English king died, but this must have taken some digging!

  23. Wow, that’s awesome that you have duelling knights at your book signings, Jeri! I second the hope that knights may live forever! Any plans to come to Phoenix? Though I recommend not coming until winter or early spring. It’s almost October and still over 100 degrees. *dies*

  24. THanks SHaron. It did take a bit of time to trace the connection all the way to Elizabeth.
    Today, Henry III (IV) of England was born to John and Isabella, Gerard de Ridefort, Grand Master of the Knights Templar was killed during the Siege of Akko (wonder how he’ll be portrayeed in Lionheart), and while completely unconnected – one of the greatest and most important battles of the world took place – Alexander of Macedon defeating Darius III at the Battle of Gaugamela.

  25. Gerard de Ridefort does not apppear at all in Lionheart, Koby; he was dead by the time Richard arrived on the scene. But he will get lots of screen time in my Balian book; hint–he won’t come off too well!
    Today is the eve of the surrender of Jerusalem to Saladin, thanks to Balian. Here is a link to Nan Hawthorne’s Today in Medieval History blog, which has an excerpt from Richard Warren Field’s The Swords of Faith, about the Third Crusade. http://todayinmedievalhistory.blogspot.com/

  27. No, Sharon, I did not oversleep. But it’s Saturday, which to me means Sabbath, so no electrical appliances until stars appear, which here is around 6:00 PM.
    Actually, Sharon, I’m not surprised about Gerard. I doubt there’s any books in which he can come out well.

  29. Nobody could be as villainous as Reynald. I was in Kerak, and when I saw those cliffs and thought of what happened on them, I became quite queasy.
    Today, Dafydd ap Gruffydd prince of Gwynedd, became the first person executed by being hanged, drawn and quartered.

  30. I envy your being able to see these crucial “Outremer” sites, Koby. Is much left of Kerak? Thanks for reminding my readers of Davydd’s dire fate. Actually, he was not the first person executed in this barbaric fashion, but it was still so unusual when he was killed that some of the chroniclers reported it as such. He was certainly the first prominant figure to be drawn and quartered, but definitely not the last. Among others, William Wallace would be slain this way, too.

  32. Today, Alys, Countess of the Vexin, daughter of Louis VII, who was supposed to marry Richard was born. Also, Otto IV, Henry the Lion and Matilda’s son and so Eleanor’s and Henry’s grandson, was formally crowned Holy Roman EMperor by Pope Innocent III.

  33. Sharon, this is totally out of left field, but I was researching ‘King Under the Mountain’ legends, and came across Owain Lawgoch (Owain ap Thomas ap Rhodri), the last truly known descendant of Llewellyn Fawr. Did you ever think of writing about him? He seems an interesting character to me, an adventurer of sorts, mercenary with a cause. His second-in-command was Ieuan Wyn (known to the French as Poursuivant d’Amour), apparently a descendant of Ednyfed Fychan. It sounds like an intriguing story.

  34. Hi, Koby. I know a little about him, but I doubt that there would be enough material to make him the focus of a book. There are so many fascinating figures like Owain; they flit through history, giving us tantalizing glimpse here and there, but we simply do not know enough about their lives to build a secure factual foundation for a novel. And I’m so obsessive-compulsive about all this that I would not feel comfortable having to “invent” so much of his history.

  35. Hmmm…yeah, you’re right. One of the things I love most about your writing is that I can know that nearly everything actually happened to real people. I wonder if some writer actually wrote something, though.

  38. You all seem to be having your own conversation here, but let me interject and answer Kristen Elizabeth: I will be in Scottsdale at Poison Pen bookstore on Oct 30 at noon. But no knights. They only show for the launch.

  40. And accordign to what I have here, Isabelle of ANgouleme was crowned Queen of England today.
    Which reminds me – was I the only one who cracked up in one of the opening scenes of the new Robin Hood, where Eleanor is berating John’s wife for letting him sleep with some ‘French harlot’ and not showing ‘English strength’?

  41. Well, we all know how “English” Eleanor was, Koby, and how much she loved living there! The funniest thing was an interview Russell Crowe gave in which he talked about how “historically accurate” the film was. Sure, Robin Hood was the driving force behind the Magna Carta, Russell…sigh. A fine actor, not exactly a historian.

  43. Great interview Sharon and Jeri! Thanks for adding to my endless list-of-books-to-be-found at my local library 😀
    and Sharon, isn’t it time you just exorcise the evil Melusine and go mac? Working with a computer shouldn’t have to make one suffer.

  44. Cindy wrote: “…and Sharon, isn’t it time you just exorcise the evil Melusine and go mac? Working with a computer shouldn’t have to make one suffer.”
    When I read that she couldn’t include the images I got the impression that it was the blog site that was preventing the images from being posted with the text and not on the computer Sharon used. What am I missing?

  45. Thanks, Cindy. (I can’t believe this conversation is still going on! Fantastic!)
    I told Sharon I just name all my electronic items and my cars Excelsior. Give thems a boost and then I don’t get confused.

  46. Hi Koby/Sharon – about Owain Lawgoch.
    I found the following in the ‘Welsh Bio on Line’ site. He really does need a book written about him!:
    OWAIN ap THOMAS ap RHODRI (‘ Owain Lawgoch ’ ; d. 1378 ), a soldier of fortune and pretender to the principality of Wales ; son of Thomas (q.v.) ap Rhodri ap Gruffydd (q.v.) by one Cecilia — he was therefore a great-great-grandson of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth (q.v.) and a great-nephew of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd (q.v.) . Born c. 1330 , probably on Thomas ‘s estate of Tatsfield in Surrey , he appears to have entered the service of Philip VI of France while still quite young, and except for a brief interval of less than twelve months, spent the remainder of his life abroad, earning for himself, as ‘ Yevain de Galles ’ or Owen of Wales , an outstanding reputation as a mercenary leader, not only in France , but in Lombardy and Brittany , Alsace , and Switzerland .
    His visit to England in the summer of 1365 was made in order to claim possession of his paternal inheritance (see under Thomas ap Rhodri ); but having secured the estate, he left again for France in March 1366 . Late in 1369 (Anglo-French hostilities, suspended since 1360 , having been resumed in April 1369 ), he was deprived of his property in England and Wales for adhering to the king’s enemies. At this point in his career Owain became involved in the political side of Anglo-French relations. Though himself a stranger to Wales (his father and grandfather had been long resident in England ) he was very conscious of his hereditary claims as lineal successor of the two Llywelyns , as Froissart makes clear, and seems to have spoken much about them in French court circles. Owain ‘s pretensions were now exploited by French interests, and plans were laid for diverting English attention by an invasion of Wales under Owain ‘s leadership. The expedition of 1372 , preceded by a notable proclamation setting out Owain ‘s claims, got no further than Guernsey , where his exploits recorded in popular song and legend remained long in memory. The English authorities were prepared for an invasion of Wales as early as Dec. 1369 ; it is, moreover, significant that in the following year an inhabitant of Anglesey was condemned for having been in touch with ‘ Owen Lawgoch ,’ an enemy and traitor, for the purpose of starting a war in Wales . The reference in this context to ‘ Owen Lawgoch ,’ considered alongside the later vaticinatory poetry linked with a hero of that name (in one poem ‘ Lawgoch ’ is actually identified with Owain ap Thomas ap Rhodri ) shows that Owain ‘s fame after his death left a deep impression on Wales .
    That he was considered a serious menace in England is suggested by the circumstances of his assassination at the siege of Mortagne-sur-Mer (obviously with the connivance of the English authorities), in July 1378 , at the hands of a Scot , John Lamb , who had wormed himself into Owain ‘s confidence. He was buried four miles away from the scene of his death, in the church of S. Leger , deeply mourned by a wide circle of associates, the deeds of this proud and generous, albeit passionate, personality, commanding the admiration of some of the leading chroniclers of the age.

  49. The real Richard I sailed from Acre for home (or so he thought) on October 9, 1192. My Richard sailed from Acre on October 10, 2010. Yes, this means Lionheart is done, or almost done. I should have it ready in about a month to submit to my editor’s tender mercies. This period, by the way, waiting for an editor’s response, is what writers call Purgatory.

  50. That’s excelent news, Sharon! Buck up – your purgatory is much shorter than ours!
    In other matters, today John I of England lost his treasure in the Wash.

  51. Hope yours doesn’t last as long as that of Richard – 33 years! We’ll all be dead by then!!

  52. How long does your Purgatory usually last? How long from when it ends to when we get our paws on the new gem?

  53. If you define Purgatory from the time I submit it to my editor in November to publication, about 10 months, for we expect to publish it in the autumn of next year. Of course if my editor were to want major changes (shudder), that would prolong Purgatory for a while longer. 🙂

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